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Residents, Officials Split on Park Plan Withdrawal

Some believe minor league baseball would have been an opportunity for Clawson; others are relieved the proposal didn't go through.

 

Clawson residents and officials are still divided about whether Clawson would have been a good home for a minor league baseball team.

But there's one thing many residents agree on: David Martin's withdrawal of his proposal to revamp City Park for the team was a surprise.

Martin said he would no longer be pursuing Clawson after a contentious public hearing on Tuesday showed many residents and Planning Commission members were against the idea. The commission tabled its final decision, citing incomplete details with traffic and parking.

"Honestly, three members of the Planning Commission were pretty vocally against it as were a lot of the residents," Clawson resident Kurt Hack said. "It’s unfortunate."

Hack said he hoped to see the park get a makeover and thought the minor league team would stir more activity in Clawson.

Some residents were unhappy with the overall negative atmosphere at Tuesday night’s meeting.

"I was watching one of the team’s presenters sitting there analyzing the crowd’s reaction at the meeting on Tuesday,” Clawson resident Denise Seipke said. "By his face I knew they were aware they were facing more opposition than expected."

A plan lacking the details, impacting neighboring residents

The details were what many of the community members wanted to see. The lack of a complete parking plan and traffic study left some undecided.

Seipke, who had mixed feelings about the project, said requesting that information is fair and a standard practice for the Planning Commission.

"They asked for a traffic study, which is the normal planning process," Seipke said. "The issue is someone was trying to push this through quickly and short-change the process. I just don’t think there was enough planning involved."

Most residents living near City Park opposed it because of the noise it would create. Martin said there would be 48 home games at the park from May through August. Residents say spring and summer are already busy times at the park.

Planning Commissioner Rocco Romano lives near the park and said he was relieved that Martin withdrew. Romano was against the proposal because of concerns with alcohol, safety and other issues. 

“It was going to be an unfortunate burden on everyone who lives around the park,” Romano said. “Some folks wouldn’t be touched by the noise and it wouldn’t impact their lives. But I, for one, don’t wish to be serenaded by loud speakers 48 times a year.”

A need for a renovations

Martin’s project would have revamped the baseball field. Hack said Martin brought attention to the horrible conditions at the park during his presentation Tuesday. Hack said the field is "embarrassing" and needs a safety improvement.

Clawson school board member Mike Bosnic agreed.

“It would have been a great source of pride to be able to upgrade our facilities," Bosnic said. "I only want the best for our kids."

Parks & Recreation Director Mickey Alderman was disappointed to see the project fall through.

“We thought it was a good opportunity to get some very much needed improvements to the park,” Alderman. “But, I understand that there is certain info that they still needed to provide.”

Alderman said since Martin's proposal fell through, the city will assess the improvements needed at City Park. 

“More information was needed to base a decision,” Mayor Penny Luebs said. “Now we have a greater understanding of what needs to happen in the park and that is something that we can look forward to repairing or refurbishing.”

Clawson resident Eva Burns said the proposal could have been good for the city. “I think it’s sad that he decided to pull out without giving us all the answers that he could have been giving,” she said. “It may have ended up being a good thing, but we’ll never know.”

What improvements do you think need to be made to City Park? Tell us in the comments.

micheal w smith

12:04 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

Just about everybody agrees - the park needs improving and upgrades. So how do we pay for it? I suggest a private/public effort. Surely we can all agree that something needs to be done and if we pull together we can make it happen.

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Brian Jones

1:16 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

Guess we should let Rocco Romano and his cronies pay for an upgrade..

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Ben K

3:14 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

A lot of the issues were addressed in the meeting, but people didn't like what they were told. Like the parking the issue of parking was addressed and they told everyone what they had planned for it, but the residents right against the park didn't like what they heard. The issue of alcohol, was addressed, stating that they were going to be trying to get a Liqour license, and Beer and Wine would be sold, but again the residents right against the park, didn't like what they were told. They all felt they should be able to dictate what is done in OUR city park since they live so close.
There are a lot more people and homes in the city then just those on those streets right around the park, and they were the only ones notified by mail about any plans to renovate the park, and they were the ones making the most noise against it. I do believe that most of the city was for the plan and are very disappointed in what has happened. Some of the planning commision had actually made up their minds before the public forum, that was obvious when they show up with a typed statement of their disapproval.

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mike smith

5:49 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

Rocco Romano on the planning commission had a no vote before the meeting started, He did not vote on the behalf of the city or for the good of the city, he voted because he lived near the park and even stated in the meeting that his grandchildren would not be able to use the park. He should have abstain, Romano and Tite both had no votes before the meeting started. they had prepared statements. The tableing of the project would have been a uphill battle for the Mr Martin. He had no other alternative but to pull out. what a shame, one million dollar investment gone to another city.
Clawson has lost again

Chris Zimmel

3:45 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

If this is such an important addition to the city, move it out of the residential neighborhoods. Heaven knows we have plenty of vacant land (Kmart, the land behind McDonalds) that could be used and would not create the problems so unpleasant for homeowners around the park. But the developer threw a tantrum and stomped off. Apparently he did not feel addressing concerns was part of the approval process.

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Jim McDiarmid

4:09 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

Kmart and the land behind McDonalds is Troy not Clawson. Dave Martin answered questions from the citizens of this city for 3 hours on 8/23/11 and at an informational meeting the week prior at city hall.

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mike smith

5:55 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

Oh come on, he did address the concerns of the crowd, but the problems are always in process amd needed to be addressed. Take a walk out there examine the park it is terrible, you blew one million dollars, and if they failed there was a perfomance bond to cover it. Mr martin is a business man he knew that 2 of the commisioners already voted no so why continue.

micheal w smith

8:56 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

People - why are we arguing over "spilled milk"? The question now is: are we willing to try to fix the park up and how to finance it if we do. Put your energy where it will do some good.

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Debbie Wooley

10:00 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

I'm in to getting it done. One field at a time. Let's think out of the box and come up with some creative solutions.

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mike smith

2:14 pm on Saturday, September 24, 2011

How do you propose to do this

james

11:34 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

I think we need to address the fact that in that room the planning board did not do thier job, they were supposed to decide whether or not the proposed variance was within the bounds of the regulations, instead the did the city councils job of trying approve or deny the whole project. At least that's how I thought these functions of govt worked

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Michael J

2:18 am on Tuesday, September 20, 2011

Tom shea
Because you told the truth about you really thought

Tom Shea

11:38 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

Tom Shes something rotten in Denmark here

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Tom Shea

11:40 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011

Kurt please reply on alcohol use at new venue

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Tom Shea

12:03 am on Friday, August 26, 2011

The Mayor is running unapposed for all you know it all's. Give it a try

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james

12:11 am on Friday, August 26, 2011

Last day to submit papers was the 16th

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canseeallsides

3:41 am on Saturday, August 27, 2011

This story from another town has a familiar ring to it. http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/front_page/article_9f6ba174-cfa0-11e0-b22e-001cc4c03286.html
Businesses (at least baseball businesses) want our parks. In my opinion, this affirms our community's response and our planning commission's decision. It's just not a good precedent.

"That's the message they sent loud and clear - it's unacceptable to have a for-profit (business housed in the park)," (the business man making the proposal) said of Wednesday's 12-0 vote by the Eau Claire Waterways and Parks Commission against the project.

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micheal j

6:34 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011

right on canseeallsides keep the fire burni ng

mike smith

10:57 am on Saturday, August 27, 2011

great research a person from Illinois giving an opinion on a Wisconsin issue. Are

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mike smith

10:48 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Now you are an expert in law review.

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mike smith

10:51 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

I wonder what you did before you became a lawyer, political expert, an encyclopedia,social expert,and with all the knowledge that you have about your neighbors, families,city council people. It is amazing

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mike smith

10:53 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

When is Romano going to retire, hope soon he is bad got the city

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mike smith

3:45 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

MJ

I am changing your name because you make no sense with anything you say.

you quote and quote I think you should back to watching the neighbors, pretending that you are a legal expert etc etc. I feel sorry for your neighbors . You are a busy body with nothing to do. I sure would like to meet you at a council meeting face to face. But cowards like you hide behind a computer.

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mike smith

3:46 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

if you ran for city council the only votes you would get is you and your family

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mike smith

3:47 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

mj

I love your remarks they are so brilliant!

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mike smith

8:11 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

dont worry it does not change my view of rocco and tite, unlike who you cant spell and think that texting and speaking text is intelligence and smart, you ar sick. you must then have no social skills at all. I am glad you are not running for council, one they cant find a seat big enough for you and if you were elected nothing will ever get done.
I must be writing to an really old old man if he refers to the crank phone.

still dont want ot meet huh?? I will be at council meetings I want to you hear you speak. still dont have a last name, but I bet the city government knows who you are, and they are sick of you. Again as I said earlier Rocco should resign., unless you are him and use an alias Micheal J. Nah! Rocco has more brains than that

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mike smith

8:14 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

next move lets hear an ignorant comment from you MJ

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Sandy G

8:44 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

Seriously, why is there still comments when this is no longer a issue. There is no longer going to be a ballpark in Clawson. Let's move on. MS, you can't call someone immature when you are being just as childish. Really, it is time to drop it. Now let's all hug & be neighbors. :)

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candice side

8:49 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

sandy g

you must be a friend of MJ he is the immature one MS did not start the fight, MJ mouth never stops, read all of his other dumb comments to the patch

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Sandy G

11:56 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011

I can assure you I am no friend of MJ. The reason for the immaturity comment to MS is because he kept going on and on until MJ replied to him. They are both immature and will not let this ballpark thing die. I don't see the point to continue talking about something that could have been for our city but then on the other hand it was suppose to happen to quickly for me. There was no time to make sure that everything was put in place to make sure that the city of Clawson will be safe. It is done and over with so why keep talking about it. I agree that MJ is the pot stirrer. He thinks that he has all the answers, but half the time I can't make any sense of what he is saying. All I am saying is let it go so we can work on something else that can help our city, I hope.

canseeallsides

8:52 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

MJ still at aggrevating people width your mean comments?

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canseeallsides

3:10 am on Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Why are you replying with my screen name? This is NOT my comment, how can two have same name?

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canseeallsides

3:10 am on Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Why are you replying with my screen name? This is NOT my comment, how can two have same name?

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micheal j

6:28 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011

canseeallsides

that is you why are you denying it? no one else would even think of a name like yours

micheal j

6:07 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011

why is evryone so upset at me? I try 2 do the right thing. I wants to help the peoplof Clawson to be aware of what is going down in the city I have been here over 40 years and active in the community

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Sandy G

6:39 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Maybe ppl can take you more seriously if you would givenus your full name. I have been a resident of Clawson for 20 years. I know a lot of ppl in the city. Not saying that everything you say is untrue but you put things in such a way that it seems all you want to do is get ppl rialed up. You make yourself look like a trouble maker and all you are doing is making ppl mad and it seems to me that you enjoy that. Let us know who you really are & maybe we can take you more seriously.

micheal j

9:01 pm on Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Sandy G
I can understand that you want my last name. I have been writing for years i have lived here 4 40 yrs I am at all the meetings including school boards I always sit in the back and take notes/ I have never missed a school board meeting a PB or council meeting. If you put your name out there i will also. ha ha.
Everything I say is true i read look listen hear. I know everything that is going on.
I write so that people will get involved in this community weather it is for the good or evil

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Joni Diefenbaker

7:59 am on Wednesday, September 14, 2011

MJ - I'm not sure why living in Clawson for 40 years makes any difference for your knowledge of Clawson. Many and I mean MANY have lived here longer than 40 years, me included. Sitting at all the meeting and taking notes, which I would love to see, is pointless. If you know so much about EVERYTHING, why don't you run for something? It seems you have the time. Many residents watch the meetings on their TV's at home, so we ARE NOT unaware of what is going on in our little city.

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Michael J

1:01 pm on Saturday, September 17, 2011

Joni ''have you ever been involoved in our community? Idid not think so

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michael J

3:54 pm on Saturday, September 17, 2011

Joni: this imposter is using a snafu on Patch to sign up with different usernames, look closely to see the difference, while he is doing this, mike smith is so quiet, ummmm?

micheal w smith

8:23 am on Wednesday, September 14, 2011

People - are we not looking for solutions to our problems? Quit the mud raking and offer concrete solutions to our problems. I said it early on - the semi-pro ball deal is DEAD. Now let us try to solve the problems in our park this controvery unearthed. Ideas, not blame is what is needed.

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Sandy G

7:48 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Exactly what I said earlier. Time to move on and look into something else to help our city. Stop debating and look for solutions. Nothing is gonna work if we can't even get along on a web site. Move on.

michael J

1:08 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011

michael w.: U r right, but as I said before the problem is still there, so I feel it is not dead, (don't get the two confused} My sources say, the boards are being warned, scolded, advised, about discussing by email, or social net working. any Board business. Or personnal businness./ feelings. Makes sense doesn't it. I amswered a couple of days ago, to take heat away from board members, direct towards me.
Joni if I ran I could not be on patch or FB, see above. as far as 44 yr's u have been here longer, okay, I respect that, I only said the #'s cause sonner or later some one would say, "he just moved in & already is saying.......... As far as last names, when clawson citizen, patti, both of them, sandy G, michael small "j" nonsolution, and others give there's, canseeallsides, james.............. since I posted on monday, it redirected the focus off PB. As far as getting rialed up, got to admit, some of the Walking Dead Have woken ................. not a bad thing

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Sandy G

7:54 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011

You are not rialing ppl up in a good way. Your just making ppl look at you as a wanna be mayor, school board member, or city member. Like I said in the past, you just through things out there and they never make any sense. When I read your comments, I might understand one sentence. I hate to tell you this, but you look like a complete joke. But I suppose if your having fun, keep at it because ppl will just stop commenting you because they are gonna have enough of your gibberish.

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Michael J

9:37 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011

however I wtill think that we should get rid of 2 PB tite and romano both need to resign
in competent

Michael J

7:51 pm on Saturday, September 17, 2011

how come no hasnt answered to my comments

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Michael J

9:38 pm on Monday, September 26, 2011

peeo NAJDA they took her off the patch what a shame

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michael J

8:35 am on Tuesday, September 27, 2011

sandy G. not sure who that was intended to, did another little birdie, or a stool pigeon, come up with that, are you using school of choice in reverse? are you confused, who are you answering, from which town? there are so many of us, but only one with this I P address.

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michael J

4:08 pm on Tuesday, September 27, 2011

Wrong "mikol" Janine, what a novel idea, another "for sale " sign in Clawson, would any one notice? there are so many. lets see, about 150 for sale, 30 hud or fore closed, not counting the ones that are sitting empty, the city just havn't noticed yet. we are 2.2 sq. mi. is it because of so many close generations, 4th and 5th? That kind of posts, just so shows cute sayings like Little towm with a big heart, are just that, empty sayings. I wonder how many parents have sent their kids to private or out sourced, "school of choice in reverse" cause of the 33% "school of choice"

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micheal j

6:32 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011

Janine

I stand corrected i went out and counted the for sale signs there was 226 signs and , 45 hud or fore closed. I sent my kids to private schools

micheal j

6:32 pm on Monday, October 3, 2011

Joni

I plan to run against Romano I think he is the one that can be defeated

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Sandy G

12:34 pm on Saturday, October 8, 2011

My bad, I will start taking my own advise as well. Thank you for the gentle reminder. :)

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michael J

1:15 pm on Saturday, October 8, 2011

Sandy G. "seriously why is there still comments when this is no longer an issue" quote from one month ago, by Sandy G
One does not have to drive around town, the realestate assc. and county. provides the info. As far as a life? it is what you want, to do. If you feel superior and enpowered that your way is the only way so be it. You women are only ping ponging off of each other. gee to reply to this dated subject, does show timelyness.......... as your daughter said,......... Not.............

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