Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has vetoed a bill that would have allowed concealed weapons into public schools and sports arena, according to a report on Michigan Public Radio.
The Michigan Legislature passed Senate Bill 59 late last week that would have allowed concealed weapons in gun-free zones, but in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, CT, many had called for Snyder to veto the legislation.
David Hecker, Michigan President of American Federation of Teachers (AFT) said in a Friday statement, "We’re aghast that this lame duck legislature thinks it’s a good idea to put MORE guns in our schools, let alone places of worship or sports arenas...The House passed SB 59 on Thursday. How dare these lame duck legislators put the safety of students, educators and communities at risk. As our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims of today’s tragedy in Connecticut, we call on Governor Snyder to veto this ill-considered bill."
On Monday, Snyder said he would re-evaluate the bill, and on Tuesday, he vetoed it.
The larger point is that we don't want you bunch of cowboys out there making life & death decisions. I've been thru gun training courses and there's no class out there that qualifies you guys as de-facto police officers.
This is such a lame argument. There is no proof to it, only emotional blather backed up by Beatles song reasoning (Give Peace a Chance!). Read "More Guns Less Crime" by John Lott. Actual scientific research that shows when more law-abiding people can defend themselves, crime goes down. Nearly all these shootings occur within the confines of liberal fantasyworld "gun free zones" where good people are defenseless and evil criminals kill unopposed. And every time this liberal policy fails, we're told we need more failed liberal policies....
My take on you is that you have a lot of "projection" issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V-oNMHNrS-8 It's not about some imaginary jackass. It's about making crazy murderers fear being confronted by someone who will fight back.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/
Why be condescending? Are you feeling defensive? Please watch the video I posted above, of the woman who had her parents killed because of dumb policies. I'm less interested in scoring points in an argument, than enabling you to defend yourself if some madman wants to hurt you or someone you care about.
why don't we take our back & forth offline? i'm sure others on this board would appreciate it.
The fact that Mr Stroh, who at best takes someone being shot to be something to joke at, and at worst just made a threat against a public official - holds a license to carry a concealed weapon is just downright scary. Patch: please report Mr Stroh's comments and IP address to the authorities
Point taken, but aren't you interested to understand why these events were incredibly rare up until only 5 years ago? I don't support tougher gun laws, but I can't believe that gun-free zones are the main cause of these tragedies.
I do not take any one source of information as completely accurate or non-biased. I think anyone who does lacks intellectual depth and reason. But this wide-swath painting of the media that dares report something they don't agree with as suspect and deceitful is just one more reason to take your slant on things with half a grain of salt.
Nice cherry pick on the statistics but now let’s be honest. The United States has less than 5.93 Homicides / 100,000 people vs many other countries( both undeveloped and developed )that have much higher rates, see Angola or South Africa oh and don’t forget Chile which is higher than the US even though your graph shows differently ( http://chartsbin.com/view/1454 ). So Dan the argument could be made that the reason the USA’s murder rate is so low is because is citizens are ARMED or at least have the possibility to ARM. Dan, now let’s have a real talk about what’s wrong with our country, I.e. we do a lousy job taking care of our mentally ill, we have taken any form of discipline out of our schools and our country is basically morally bankrupt. We have 18 states that have made the smoking of marijuana legal in one form or another. We live a country that now has three states that agree with assisted suicide and have made it legal. But what should we expect from a country that for the last 40 plus years has said that its totally acceptable to kill the unborn, because life doesn’t really start until your born. But hey, guns are really the problem right Dan?
Here's some other stats for you: -40% of gun sales are done at shows without background checks -Annual Gun deaths peaked in 1993, then steadily declined by 2000 by 25% (assault weapon ban) -since then annual gun deaths have steadily increased, currently by 10%, projected to be a 16% increase by '15 -85 Americans are fatally shot each day -1 of those daily 85 are under 14 years of age But hey, there's no problem whatsovever with unfettered access to assault weapons; we just need our Art and History teachers to start packing and everything will be ok. Btw, i own a handgun and believe in the 2nd Amendment, just not without rational, commonsense legislation in the face of this epidemic. And i have no desire or see a need to bring my gun into my church.
It's kind of hard to attack someone for cherry-picking statistics when you compare the United States (GDP over $14.5 trillion) to Angola (GDP $99 billion, only 10 years out of a 30+ year civil war and with 40% of its population in poverty), but ignore all of developed, democratic countries that have 50-80% lower homicide rates than the US. Here's an interesting statistic from the same website you used: the countries with the lowest homicide rates are also countries with Republican governments with the smallest income disparities. <a href="http://chartsbin.com/view/559">http://chartsbin.com/view/559</a> Perhaps gun ownership, or income disparity, is one metric that contributes to lots of other factors. Statistics can be great for showing trends or indicating cause and effect, but they can also be great for misleading people and mischaracterizing issues.
http://royaloak.patch.com/blog_posts/too-many-dead-pets-enough-pit-bull-attacks
I don't own a gun, prob. never will, but certainly see the logic of some one wearing guns so others can see. right away, the non gun people go into the worse case scenario's, the gun will drop out, (strapped in) stray bullets ( most if not all duck out of sight & don't shoot in a knee jerk reaction) people who own and want to carry a gun, have a major investment, in product , time, practice, and training. Fire it in public once, (at an invader, attacker) you surrender your gun, and go under scrutiny, basically house arrest, till fact finding is done. Guns make those who have not been trained squirmis. why? fear cause of lack of training. I watched just about all of the Newtown stuff, one lady said if the principal had a gun "locked up" what good would that of been? Obvious that lady is one of these posters. I say she would be wearing it, yes she would be in a bazer, to cover from kids eyes........ in stead this Principal dove trying to stop a bullet, if yall can just do theory's then I say, that principal had a good chance to take out the bad guy, and save 20 kids.. Collateral damage? why do you lock your house? all the damage is done getting in, just leave it unlock, it's cheaper.
All the people that sell only care about the money.